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Hi and welcome to Beoworld!
Are you talking about the 1985 stereo radio-cassette system versus the 2020 Bluetooth speaker ? They have next to nothing in common and nothing at all in term of sound.
First, the Beosystem 10 is more or less a Japan production that, how to say this, has only the B&O look. It’ two wide range speakers sounds flat, very average and of course, old, absolutely not B&O. But it is still a very nice device on display who needs regularly to have the dust removed from its shinny black panels.The Beolit 20 is a portable BT speaker with tweeters and woofers and has a more deep, detailed and modern sound.
Their footprint is also slightly different. The BS10 may be wider than your Tivoli system but also thinner and can be hanged to the wall.
Prices may also be very different.
Depending on your budget, your needs and the way you have to organise your space you may want to consider:
- a Beosound Century: it’s very wide but can be wall mounted and color panels for the speakers can help to make it more discrete. Can be remote controlled.
- A Beolit 12, same as Beolit 20 but they’re cheaper, Airplay not BT and its less boom sounding than the 15/17/20. The 12 can be remote controlled.
- If you can place the speakers away any Beosound Ouverture/2300/3000/3200 will give you a small footprint. The Ouverture has a tape deck. Can be remote controlled.
All have aux-in.
Hope this helps.
Quite a weird thing indeed, but I’l not a specialist…And more importantly, do I need one?
Yes you do, to tell us what it is…. 😀
Well, that was an example to illustrate that sometimes someone can stay with an empty shell because (what seems to be) a generic part is missing. I may loose myself and readers with examples but once I got for free a Beocord VX something. It was in very good condition and electronically all working apart from the loading mechanism that was broken: a specific plastic part. It went to the recycle bin. All in all it was it’s fate, part was difficult or impossible to repair and hunt for a donor would make no sense because eventually I nevertheless would have no use of a VHS scope. But the story would have been different in my mind if the problem would have been à lack of 24 Volts somewhere, I mean I’ve got plenty of 24 volts PSU in a box somewhere.
You see what I mean?
Now your explanation about power supplies is ver enlightening and I thank you. I recently had to strip an RIAA preamp from its built-in transformer because it added noise to the phono signal so, yes, I understand what you explained and it makes sense to me. Apart from that I currently have no transformer problem but I used that example because it’s a common topic on forums: Beolab’s Stand-by trafo, power source in Beograms or Beomaster, missing power lines in the same units sometimes… And when I see some PSU that weight now next to nothing when they used to be big, heavy and hot in the past 10 years, I wonder why this still is a problem. Now I know.
About Beogram motors its more or less the same ignorant logic. Luckily, on the 4 Beograms I have, all have working motors. If you remember, I’ve always have been scared about infusing bearings (12xx bearing, not smaller yet!), but I’ve finally tried too, with mitigated success, more likely due to wrong oil (by greed again!). But I learned that I can. So no motor needs now but I thank you for your proposition. But again, If Im correct, The 12xx motor is just a motor spinning at a defined speed and that’s why I wonder nobody came with a modern solution that could replace the whole, very beautiful and well engineered but prone to wear and misadjustement assembly – motor+idler wheel – with something less elegant but simpler. But here again your explanation help me to understand those things were well built and whatever the price or difficulties to service them (for the common user) when they are, they will last five or six decades again.
But don’t worry, I’ll soon get in touch with you for some rubber things! 😀
Thank you Martin.
Regarding the transformer, it’s simply not possible to make one using an Arduino, a smartphone or a 3D-printer.
I got that! But the question behind was, aren’t power supplies just a matter of voltage rails? Why are they so difficult to replace? The same goes for motors: isn’t it just a thing that… spins?
Regarding the question of originality we both don’t want to discuss, I perfectly understand your point of view and, believe it or not, I’m in. I’m quite conservative and like thing to be as they were when first bought (hence my taste for papers, boxes, brochures …) and when I drift away from that rule, any change I make is reversible. But they’re also lot of vintage stuff that had their gut’s removed to repair a brother but are still in good cosmetic condition. If you let me be a little provocative I have one or two Beograms 12xx that could benefit from a simple motor to drive the platter an be used in manual mode, that would be better than the deck in a cupboard waiting to be chopped until the next house move where they will end in the bin.
I’m not talking about hiding a bluetooth Ikea speaker into a Beolab 5, or trading a delicate Beocord mechanism with the first Radiola cassette player pieces around but just replacing some “basic” components with modern alternative because they are vital and not visible/part of the final sound which is what we want.
Hi all members,
I’d like to kindly remind to everyone that Sales/Wanted announcements used to be reserved to Silver and Gold members for obvious reasons. Right now, for technical causes, the “filter” is off, but it would be fair to anyone who’s selling fairly through Beoworld to consider a membership as a “thank you” with benefits!
Running Beoworld is not free and I believe we all could saw how hard it was to keep it alive in the past month, thanks mostly to the underground work of Keith.
So please, enjoy the bargain, fell free to trade, but at some point, remember it!
(greedy Bronze Matador, out…!)
Hi,
Beo 6 is central and important for me, two of the three remotes I use daily, the third being a BL5000. Very far from a collectors item on a shelf.
But it’s temperamental: you have to work a little bit to get the better of it, and even then you’ll face issues that were there even when new, like battery life, touchscreen life expectancy, etc…
You’ll find a lot of useful informations in the old forum, including specific third party IR codes or example of uses. and there is also a dedicated page on the main website with a link to a programming guide that worth be studied.
Beo6/5 was badly born/lauched/presented but in the end it makes all the thing “non B&O” people believe a beo4 will do: learn codes, command everything, be magic, with that B&O 90’s charm.
Enjoy…
Wasn’t it something about antistatic coating that was very fragile and shall not be removed?
Did you experience anything about that after your works?
Thank you.
i have one speaker done and it looks wonderful.
That’s great work, thank you for sharing it!
Have people just lost interest?
Hi, Jacques.
I think they haven’t, at least in having their stuff getting up and working.
But I feel like people have lost interest in sharing. Lot of valuable, inspiring, and knowledgeable members have left the building and the effect on the whole beoworld community is obvious for anyone here more than two/three years like me.
Some new members try to keep things working but there is an obvious gap with the past and the energy is lost. We mostly share “tips and tricks” than real throughout procedures like in the past. We simply are not that old guard, far from it.
I also think (and I can understand) that some people want to “repair” and other want to “restore” leading in misunderstandings and “fights” (i.e. querelles) about things like purity, originality, good repairs and dirty ones, original parts and bad ones, prices vs love and good or bad way of doing things. Reading back post from the first forum and others from the late BWII shows clearly this.
I find it really sad even if until now I’ve always found what I needed. But with that strange feeling to be a “leecher” more than a “member”.
M.
It also was a step by step method to built the above-the-ears triangle pads. It will be available in the old forum as soon as the pictures will be back.
From my own experience my secondhand Beolab 8000s sounded awful compared to Beovox S45-2, S60 etc. However this may have been because the foam rotted. Certainly several years before when I bought some brand new ones the bass was fine and i thought they sounded amazing.
Same experience here when BL8000’s MK1 replaced S45-2 and then P50’s.
I changed the foam (black rotten with brand new white) and get a little increase in bass but not that much. They still didn’t even compete with my BL4000’s.But the pencils are now driven by a Playmaker with the bass cranked up a little and mostly used to listen to analogue music (Beogram) and I must say I’m happy with it: not those deep chest striking bass but bass low and round enough to my taste. When listening to digital sources they are more “average” but as this is often background music it works also. And as already said, the benefit of the iconic design. It’s not a perfect deal but it’s ok right now. Sometimes I’d like to add a BL2, sometimes not because it is hard to place in my room and wires, etc… The Beolab2 is also quiet expensive even in second hand. There is one around for 350€ but it’s faulty and i don’t know how easy/difficult repairs are on this unit.
aJames, you also compare second hand BL8000’s with brand new you bought years ago. Were the the same mark because the brand new may have been MK2 with improved bass and the second hand MK1, couldn’t they?
Always on the edge “Museum Henrik”!
By the way, I wonder how they could fit 5 tracks on one 45 rpm side (and 3 on the other)?
Martin, would you share the other tracks as well?
Wow, – now just three left…
You’ve become an influencer Martin! 🙂
Please Martin,
We already had that talk here and in private, I reckon I may need to see a doctor or talk to someone or even chill out a bit when it comes to money but I am what I am and we all have our little weird habits. Not to mention our budget limits.
Anyway, if the record was 9€ I would not have considered buying it. So I won’t consider paying 9€ for shipment.
