matador
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Hmmmm… No!
Ok I’ll go back.
And after that which is the normal option setting to put it all back as it is now (TV alone in a room). Thanks.
First attemp:
1611 to BC6 via Masterlink. iPod to 1611 via 5 pins DIN.
-> Nothing happens, no sound, no source selection.
I’ve tried A.AUX, A.TAPE.
Nothing on screen or on speakers.Second attemp:
Back to usual config which is:
Converter to Beolab 3500 via Masterlink.
iPod to Converter via 5 pins DIN.
Converter powered on first and after Beolab 3500.
-> All auxiliary audio sources stay silent but I can get audio from video sources without the need of pressing AV before.
So its the same behavior that after using it with the BC2300.Question: did it even register the connection with the Beocenter? Why did I have nothing?
Hi Madskp and welcome to the game!
Do you remember what key you use to select the converter input o the Beocenter 6?
It could be useful also to double check the cable you used to connect the iPhone.For my first attempt and until then I’m using a stereo jack to din cable, the sale that I use to connect a source to any Beocenter AUX IN and it work well. The DIN is 5 pins so no Datalink at all.
After our different attempt I more prone to believe the behavior of the converter depends on what its on the other side of the Masterlink cable. But this still has to be confirmed.
Perhaps something in the ML cable tells it how to behave? Connect to a TV and it becomes an audiomaster, to a BeoSystem (or BL3500) and it becomes a videomaster.
That’s an interesting theory. Right now the only Masterlink TV I have has its plug out of reach but it worth a try.
Problem with deep research is, unless you find the perfect answer, the more you searh the more you get confused!
What we know for sure is, sometimes you need to press “AV+ video source” to trigger the converter, experienced by default with a Beolab 3500, And sometimes you need to press “any video source” for the same purpose, experienced by me when letting the converter autoconfig itself connected to a Beosound and preventing it to autoconfigure again (i.e. powering it first).
So in both case, it is a video master, triggered by a video source key, right?
Seems correct because I can’t find posts stating that you can start it with an Audio command.I would be very surprised that the solution will rely in a simple short between a datalink pin and the ground. But who knows?
As you I’m not sure to dare to try shorting pins randomly. There, a service manual could help.
What impressed me the most was when I got communication between the 3500 and the 2300. I mean, same amount of data exchange, handshake or whatever with only two pins, the same way than an ouverture with that big Masterlink connector full of a lot of pins? Impressive!
Now, using a 1611 to drive a Beolab 3500 seems to always have been a hack. So no wonder we can’t exactly do what we want with it. Because in that case it’s always someting missing: an “intelligent” device at the other end of the converter. One that identifies itself and unlock all commands, audio, video, etc…
Please Guy, don’t burn any equipment for science sakes, but lets continu our experiments as long as they’re safe.
Cheers.
Firstly I hate soldering, especially fiddly little DIN
I understand, this morning I was close to give up just because I had to make a 7/7 din wire.
Especially Chinese ebay cheap plug that melt even before anything was solder!About VHS to HDMI, dont forget (I think) that there is two kind of HDMI, one that carry analogue and the other taht dont and that will never accept analogue signal wirhout an active converter (fancy that: converter!).
Cheers.
They are many Beolink converter 1611 owners manuals all with differents diagrams. I have seen at least three and each time its not clear if the data flaow uspside or downside. Text is not of a great halp either. Maybe the last iteration, if anybody has one are more clear.
Ok, but would be shorting a datalink pin to ground the same as leaving it in the air from the 1611 perspective? SO why then does it starts as a videomaster by default?
Also note that after my attempts this morning with the BS2300, the 1611 was able to start with one key, but still a video key, not an audio key. I’ve tried A.TAPE, CD and cant remember right now but all the audio key present on a SAT beo4 and a Beolink 5000.
@Matador have you made this pin 2 to pin 1 connection in the source to your 1611? Perhaps this is what OneRemote’s ASNUT cable does?No I didn’t. What’s missing is the purpose of that shorting: what means “trigger the 1611” when in the same diagram you also have a Beo4.
Let’s say it starts the 1611 in Audiomaster mode and when not present, the 1611 starts by default in Videosmaster mode, ok, but what about LSNUT and PCSNUT cables?
Do you know what pin 2 and pin 1 are? Because there obviously not datalink pins.
This still remain a mystery: how could the Powerlink work with wireless 1 and not with a true Powerlink connection. Not to mention that the wireless 1 only talks about Masterlink connection not Powerlink.
Retreive the MCL Behavior with a MK2 BL3500 could be interesting.
I’ve talked with a member of Reddit who use is Beolab 3500 daily with only a DIN connection with a 5V trigger. His Beolab is a MK1 with MCL engraved under the DIN.I’ll have to ty this…
I knew this speaker gonna be a lot of fun! I thought that he was saying that the Powerlink from MCL behavior was changed by software but was still physically there. But reading carrefully shows that thats not what he was saying. 🙁
EDIT: after reading RaMaBo’s post twice this seems not possible
Yes I think it does apply to Mk2 speakers.
I forgot to mention that part: yes it works. But what is the purpose of that command?
I think I’ve read something like “it allows to switch between MCL mode and ML mode” but that would apply to MK1 and LCS9000 units. On MK2 that has only ML and a frustrating useless Powerlink socket, what would be the use of turning off Masterlink?Ok, Morning Report:
Have connected My Beosound 2300 to the 1611 converter through a 7 pin DIN wire.
Powered up everything and after that the converter. At first it did not do anything, no rectin from the remote from the L.OPT 6 Beolab 3500 and of course none from A.OPT 0 BS2300.Tried frenetically a random sequence of power down power up etc, still nothing.
Then I tried to put everything in its previous state, meaning:
– Unplug everything from power.
– Unplug DIN and Masterlink,
– Plug back Masterlink only,
– Start the 3500 with AV+TV.Then I plugged back the DIN and “Pouf” it all worked as I believe it should, that is as it did work with a masterlink connection between my Ouverture and the 3500: source selection and volume control.
WIth the belief the converter was somehow “autoconfigured” in some sort of AUDIO mode, I un plugged power from the converter, the speaker, then unplugged the DIN, Plugged back an ordinary iPod cable, then power to the converter and finally power to the speaker.
And guess what? i saved a key! Now the speaker starts, still with a video source key (TV, SAT, V.TAPE, CDV…), but without the need to press the AV key before. Just what I was looking for.
After unplugging it all from mains and plug it back the same way: it work again with direct key selection.
Thanks to everybody who tried to help.
Hi Keith, thank you for chiming in.
That’s what I’m trying to avoid because for daily use this is not convenient.When I first tried it was in option 6: only AV+TV did work.
Then I tried Opt 4 or 5 cant remember and it did work the same way. I think I let it like that. I will check.Regarding ML or MCL mode does this apply even to MK2 speakers?
I will try to message FrançoisVL.
About OneRemote VSNUT, ASNUT (but there is also LSNUT and PCSNUT…) cables, I may be wrong but I doubt the cable will change something unless it is related with something inside their radio device. I mean how can anything that fit inside those plugs change four times the behavior of a cable and moreover without anyone on Beoworld knowing this?
Yes, having say A.V.AUX on the screen would be better than TV. But the source being in the Beo4 virtual button list defeat the whole purpose of a “one key start”. The screen will display what it will display: it will never be AIRPLAY or MUSIC, and if TV keeps showing up, I’ll rather put a black strip inside the display cover which would be a shame because I find this dotted display gorgeous.
I believe they’re is enought knowledge in this forum to hack that speaker: remember a member (maybe Keith?) that corrupts an ouverture firmware to make it display IPOD instead of A.AUX? Or that guy that upgrade a full white Beomaster 7000 with Airplay, Bluetooth, DAB+ and I dont know whats more, all in an perfectly integrated pizza box element? Or more recently, Pilatomic bringing back the Beolink 5000 from outer world ? Old times…
Still investigating…
OneRemote sells a Radio Multi Receiver that connects to a Masterlink installation through a 1611 converter. But depending on the cable used to connect it to the converter, it seems it appears as audio source or video source. Cables are VSNUT and ASNUT. Cables being all the same price I wonder if it’s a marketing trick or if there simply something in the socket, like a resistor between the two datalink pins, that fools the converter.
Another lead: connecting it to an Audio Unit like Guy suggested, let him autoconfig and power it off. Then connect it to the Beolab 3500 but without letting him autoconfig, which would be something like powering the converter first and the Beolab after…
Will try this tomorrow and report.
The 1611 auto-configures to a video- or audio-master when power is applied
Then I won’t! Now I’ve a converter (and I still need another one) I won’t lose it!
But I’ll still try how it works when the autoconfig detects and Audiomaster like the 2300.
That’s an interesting lead.That makes me also wonder: I’ve read the Powerlink socket just carry the trigger signal for use in certain configurations. What if I send him a 5v when powering it on? Wouldn’t make it think it is connected in an audio config?
