Carolpa
Forum Replies Created
- Posts
-
Connections:
BC9500 – PL + AAL – Beolink T1611 – Masterlink – BLCBLC Setup: No speakers connected to BLC
Configuration -setting -ML role: ASlave
Configuration -experience mapped to NL: check the boxes Radio, CD, Atape (note: you can rename to f.e. (9500Radio, 9500CD…)B&o App:
add the BLCWhat I’m missing in the above setting is a NL device and I do not see one in the described system!
So alternative: no additional NL device:
Connections:
BC9500 – PL + AAL – Beolink T1611 – Masterlink – BLCBLC Setup: speakers CONNECTED to BLC
Configuration -setting -ML role: VMaster
Configuration -experience mapped to NL: check the boxes Radio, CD, Atape (note: you can rename to f.e. (9500Radio, 9500CD…)
B&o App:
add the BLCThanks for your input Caropla, but there is no BLC or ML involved in my setup.
Sorry I mixed up things because of the Master and Slaves mentioned.
In Netlink there are no Master and Slaves.Still is it a bug? The settings are now that a device is always starting with the last played source.
Is is convenient? Is it the right philosophy? I’m still not made up my mind if it is right or wrong.When I start a ML source on the BLC, the Balance can join. When I start a ML source on the BS1, the Balance cannot join even though it shows up in the multi-room device list.
Does the Balance JOIN if you select and hold (shortly) the (centre) play/pause button on the Balance?
The behavior you describe means B&O are trying to emulate the classic interface with new software and firmware, and have not considered all the edge cases. Report this behavior as a bug.
Agree. I have reported to B&O support. Lets see what they say.
Is this a bug? After some thoughts I would say not.
If you set the BLC “Primary” connected to your BS1, the ML sources connected to the BLC becoming sources of the BS1. So when you start the BS1. it starts with the latest played source.Thus not a bug but a choice how the system should react.
You could skip setting the BLC as primary on the BS1 and add the BLC separately to the B&o app.
Open the B&o app, chose the BLC and select the ML source to be played. Then join the BS1 and/or M5I have recently setup a 2nd hand BLC, and everything seems to be working properly in that I can listen to NL sources on my ML devices and vice versa. It all works fine except for 2 problems:
The ML sources only show up in the B&O App for devices configured in “Connect to (Primary)/(Secondary)”. Is the correct? I seem to remember it showing up in all devices.
Correct (for sure as Primary). But the sources are also visible on the BLC (if added to the B&o app). You can then start a source on the BLC and JOIN the others.
My stereo paired Balances do not seem to want to play ball with the ML sources. I can send its audio to ML, but I cannot get it to accept ML audio. The ML sources do not show up in its audio source choices in the B&O app even when configured as the “Connected to (Primary)”, and if I start sending ML to my BS1, I can multi-room the audio to every NL device I have except for the Balances. Is this a limitation of Mozart?
Correct. The Balance doesn’t have Primary/Secondary settings. So the ML sources can’t be added to the Balance as a source.
The Balance should accept the Multiroom of sources connected to your BS1 though. Did you try a manual JOIN already?
Bedankt voor je reactie, maar dit is bij mij niet het geval. Wanneer ik beide speakers mute dan zie ik in de spotify app dat het nummer wel door blijft spelen. Hetzelfde geldt voor muziek die ik afspeel met Deezer.
Deezer verbaast me, als je deze via B&o gestart hebt! Spotify ligt voor de hand (geen directe verbinding en daarmee geen signaal naar de Spotify app).
In ieder geval geldt dit wel voor “music” (dlna muziek) en via BLC verbonden ML produkten. (ik was blijkbaar te voorbarig…)
In mijn geval gebruik ik Audirvana/Qobuz om muziek te streamen, zoals te verwachten, is bij deze combinatie ook geen terugkoppeling en wordt de stream ook niet gestopt maar gemutet.
Tijdens een BeoLink Multi-Room sessie met mijn beosound shape en de Stage samen, toont het schermpje van mijn BeoRemote van zowel de Shape als de Stage het speaker symbool en niet het pauze symbool. Dus kan ik alleen het geluid van de betreffende speaker uitzetten maar de muziek niet pauzeren. Het pauze symbool is wel zichtbaar als ik alleen muziek afspeel op enkel de Stage of de Shape.
Juist bij het kiezen van van de speaker icoon lijkt het een “mute” opdracht te zijn. Echter toch wordt de bron gepauzeerd totdat je weer deze icoon hebt “gedrukt”.
Zeker lijkt dit verwarrend.
Het gaat wel “mis” als je via dlna een eigen cd hebt gekozen, deze volledig afluisterd en de cd nogmaals wilt beluisteren. Dan heeft de speaker icoon geen zin, je moet dan terug naar de “music” opdracht!
Thanks! I don’t have a router from Unify, but gave every speaker a fixed IP. The 2.4ghz recommendation is interesting, because I just tried to boost the 5 ghz for problem solving. I’ll try this by switch off the 5 ghz for a period. I already use fixed channels (not automatic) this gave indeed more stability, but not a 100% fix.
did you try the system already with the router’s wifi switched off?
does every AP it’s own name? Or do they have the same name?
Since three months I use a Unify router with already installed AP’s. Although most (if possible) B&o is LAN connected. That said an Essense and two M3 are WiFi connected. Until now I have hardly to none sync problems.
General try-outs to reduce sync problems (AP’s are integrated part of Unify setup):
- Set fixed IP address
- Use only 2.4GHz band
- Set on predominant channel.
note: I myself use these settings
I wonder if anyone experience the same problem. Scenario: My M5 is started in the morning using the timer. A bit later I go down to the kitchen and tap on my BS1 GVA. By that I join the source on the M5. After that I may add M3 in my bathroom and/or M3 in my office. When I later leave the house I close all devices by using the B&O app, shutting all devices to standby. Problem: When I come home, I then tap my BS1 GVA and expect that to play from its own source. It does not. It starts playing from the M5, and the link symbol is shown in the app. Sometime the BS1 does not play at all, and I have to use the app to start the play. It appear as the “master” does not release the “slave”. Its the same if I use M3 as the Master. Anyone else see this behavior? I think this started with the latest ASE platform update.
Hiort, your right! All my devices do show this behaviour after a minor updates.
For example: yesterday evening I played the BG400o on my Shape connected to a BLC. If I give a play command on the Shape today (white triangle on the black player ribbon) it starts the last played source, the BG4000.
It works with all sources this way now: so also BLC connected sources. But for some, to me unknown reason, some sources are more persistent then others. On a strange way the “a.tape7000” starts unexpectedly.I’m still figuring out, how the system exactly reacts.
A general comment: It’s incorrect to infer that a system or device is lossy or lossless based only on a sampling rate and bit depth. For example, an MP3 decoder can spit out 48 kHz / 24 bit audio. That doesn’t mean that it’s lossless.
oeps, that’s right, never thought about it that way.
so what would be the correct criteria?
Here is what the Beosound core is capable of handling: MP3, WMA, AAC, ALAC, FLAC, WAV, AIFF Standard sample rates up to 192 kHz, stereo and up to 24 bit End-to-end rendering path on the optical interface: 96kHz/24bit My goal here is to get this into the core and out to my Beolab 5’s. I know the Beolab 5 also has its limit to what it can handle. To clarify; I am mor e than satisfied with the sound of Airplay 2 at 16/44 for daily use.
if it is your own collection in your network, you can stream to the Core directly by using Audirvana.
streaming Apple Music isn’t supported by Audirvana (up till now). it supports Tidal and Qobuz though.Again technically speaking if he want to feed the Core with a higher resolution music files from his Apple ecosystem, then he has, to my knowledge, skip AirPlay altogether and use the toslink connection.
But Leo asked: “is there any other way to get a lossless Apple Music signal into the Beosound core?” And that was the question, I tried to answer.
We both did – skip Airplay: do it, as you propose, with an external DAC connected to an iDevice or use the the Mac.
I guess a lot of people prefer a wireless version (AirPlay) and also not many use a Mac as the daily music driver.
I prefer LAN connections; so everything, when possible, is LAN-connected. That said of course I use (DLNA) controllers much. For example I use Audirvana to stream Qobuz directly to B&o devices.
For me the bigger question though, is whether the difference matters – and if not the convenience of wireless is worth it? That is a question, that only the actual listener can answer.
Maybe the mastering quality, the listening room and the speakers (and ones hearing ability) are the more important factors! MM
You do, as I do, listen to “the Harmony Codex”. “Abbey Road” and DSOTM in Dolby Atmos (correct me if I’m wrong). But in the end, I completely agree, its up to the listener.
“Hires” is a hopeless discussion, because everybody’s senses, tastes and preferences are somebody’s own; atop of the physiological and technical discussion.
I did set my preferences on my experiences.
regards
If I have understood correctly, Airplay 2 is not lossless. This means that if I am using Apple Music on my iPhone and transmitting to my Beosound Core via Airplay 2, I am not listening to its full potential. what I have done is that I run a toslink cable from my Mac mini into the Beosound core. I could also run a toslink from my Apple TV into the Beosound core. is there any other way to get a lossless Apple Music signal into the Beosound core?
Technically speaking Airplay 2 is lossless because it supports formats up to 24bit and 48kHz (= above the resolution for CD). to my knowledge the best method to play higher resolution with the Apple ecosystem will be the use of the toslink connection between the Core and the Mac mini
This is not a question about higher or standart resolution. AirPlay 2 is always lossy – in order to have less strain on the wireless network and a better sync between the receivers. A higher resolution distributed through APE2 would also be lossy (using ALAC). MM
Again technically speaking if he want to feed the Core with a higher resolution music files from his Apple ecosystem, then he has, to my knowledge, skip AirPlay altogether and use the toslink connection.
If I have understood correctly, Airplay 2 is not lossless. This means that if I am using Apple Music on my iPhone and transmitting to my Beosound Core via Airplay 2, I am not listening to its full potential. what I have done is that I run a toslink cable from my Mac mini into the Beosound core. I could also run a toslink from my Apple TV into the Beosound core. is there any other way to get a lossless Apple Music signal into the Beosound core?
Technically speaking Airplay 2 is lossless because it supports formats up to 24bit and 48kHz (= above the resolution for CD).
to my knowledge the best method to play higher resolution with the Apple ecosystem will be the use of the toslink connection between the Core and the Mac mini
I sure know which one I prefer to look at in my rooms/home. MM
What an immense difference …….. with in my opinion more objective pictures. It shows an evolution in three generations of the B&o app. To me the latest UI is the easiest to operate……whereas the first is the most complex but very nice even after all these years.
I get your point – the second one looks nice when playing. My ‘problem’ – maybe – is that I hardly ever see the app on my iPhone. I was talking about an app, that – like mine on iPads – can represent a missing display for the actual devices. I do not use the app much for controlling….and do not carry my iPhone with me, when I am at home. And even if – I do not agree with you that the latest UI is the best for navigating….it is still too unfinished imo. I add/remove rooms with my BROnes respectively on the device. For me the multiroom section in the new app is way too present. Again – this might be just me and my use case. Others might carry their phone with them all the time and do not have/use a BROne. MM
Concerning the new iPad interface I do agree with you. The amount of info presented is way to much and the overall chosen colour pallet makes it worse.
Although the multi-room and playlist can be closed, it is annoying that both are opened when the player is selected. Also the previous and next Album covers shown make the iPad experience unpleasant.
The iPad version need for sure some sophistication!
I sure know which one I prefer to look at in my rooms/home. MM
What an immense difference …….. with in my opinion more objective pictures. It shows an evolution in three generations of the B&o app.
To me the latest UI is the easiest to operate……whereas the first is the most complex but very nice even after all these years.I’m presume the setup was / is (please correct me if I’m wrong):
NL Beovision with speakers connected – Beolink NL/ML converter (BLC) – BS9000.
so the most obvious first thing to do: disconnect everything from the mains, wait a minute or two and reconnect everything.
If this doesn’t do the trick, tell us more about the BV and please post pictures of the BLC setting.
